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Written by Jason Lewis, Sentinel Staff Writer, on 05-22-2008 00:00
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Celebrations are in the works up and down the coast of California, and there should be a spike in marriages as a number of gay couples rush to the alter now that the California Supreme Court has struck down the state’s ban on same-sex marriage.

In a 4-3 decision, the justices rule that people have a fundamental right to marry the person of their choice and that gender restrictions violate the state Constitution’s equal protection guarantee.

For Los Angeles residents LaTanya and Karen, who have been domestic partners for the past two years, the ruling will give them the benefits of heterosexual married couples.

“Now I can be seen as my other fellow co-workers and family members as being legitimate,” Karen said. “It means a lot to us to be able to go into a real marriage and it not be viewed as a joke.”

LaTanya points out that without being married, if she fell ill and was unable to make decisions for herself, her family could lock LaTanya out of any decisions that would have to be made.

“That happened to a couple of friends of mine when one of them got sick,” LaTanya said. “When one of them passed away the family members stopped them from coming to the hospital.”

“You hope nothing ever happens to you but if it does you want your mate, you want your partner to be there,” Karen said. “This gives us the opportunity to do that. I want to be able to legally share what I have with her. Marriage is the only way that we can do that.”

LaTanya did not waste anytime fulfilling her dreams. Like many others, she purchased a ring that very day and proposed to Karen.

“I left and went over to Tiffany at the Century City Mall,” LaTanya said. “When I came back she thought I had earrings for her. As I opened up the box I stood close to her and I go down and proposed to her.”

“It was really exciting,” Karen said.

Many opposed to gay marriage worry about the effects it will have on children. But Karen does not see that as an issue. She has two children, daughters who are 26 and 18, who were young when she started having relationships with women, and she said that neither of them is gay.

Gay couples have been fighting for equal rights for years. This is a major victory, but if gay marriage opponents have their way, it would be a short-lived victory.

A coalition of religious and conservative activists have submitted 1.1 million signatures to qualify a constitutional amendment for the November ballot that would say that “only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.”

“As long as I pay taxes like everybody else, I want the same rights that everyone else has,” said Jasmyne Cannick, writer for the Sentinel. “What I do in my bedroom does not affect you.”

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Posted by ClosedOpenMind, on 05-22-2008 11:13,
I'm sorry -- but as progressive and open minded as I consider myself, this will NEVER be ok in my eyes. I don't think is SHOULD be ok. I do believe people should live their lives as they choose. I do believe no person should be discriminated against. I accept these relationships for what they are. However, it's still wrong - and goes against the natural order of LIFE. (Ask all the Gay couples who want to create life with their mates!)  
 
If gay couples were ok with dealing with the consequences of being gay - i.e. the consequence of them not being able to produce families, then I would have no problem with their lifestyles. That's not the case, and I don't think it's fair that society has to adjust to them - as opposed to them adjusting to their new society. They merely attempt to overcome their inconveniences in other ways. This is strictly a behavioral issue, and not necessarily a genetic one. Sorry - being gay is waaay different from being Black. YOU CAN CHOOSE! 
 
To accept this as a lifestyle is NO DIFFERENT than accepting any other sexual deviation within our society. To validate this, ultimately validates them all.
 

Posted by GREATLEOSMILE, on 05-23-2008 11:45,
The U.S. Constitution states that "the pursuit of happiness" is an "inalienable right" of its citizens. And Religion and State are separate. To speak of natural law then truly look at nature of things - Black children born out of wedlock to homes without Fathers is on the increase! Consider this, Gays must plan together, work through prejudice and archaic laws to start, maintain and protect their families. When they form a family it is not an "accident" but a mature choice between consenting adults. Then to label gay sexuality as a choice reflects the ignorance of our community about human sexual identity - it is a choice to be what is the most natural to you - gay, straight or bisexual. When you are not in these shoes how can you tell me how they feel? Lastly, how is your life reduced when others have happiness, can form families, protect the ones they love and live in peace? It was only a few decades ago Blacks were seeking the same - why are we so intolerant today?
 

Posted by ClosedOpenMind, on 05-23-2008 15:23,
The separation of church and state is a beauiful thing - I agree, but the suggestion that the increase in single parent families justifies the acceptance of a "gay mentality" - or acceptance of a gay couple's desire to raise/create families is absurd. If you are gay, you cannot naturally create a family. THAT'S A CONSEQUENCE OF THAT BEHAVIOR! The point is that if you're going to behave that way, accept what comes from it. Don't try to modify everybody else so what you do becomes acceptable. 
 
Gays should be married if they choose, but shouldn't be allowed to bring kids into the equasion. Two men will never conceive a child together. Two women will never conceive a child together. The only way a gay couple can create a family together is to alter the natural order of things. 
 
Single parents raising kids is a better alternative than the confusion behind two dads raising a daughter or two mothers a son! 
 
Gay marriage is one thing. But bisexual?? Cmon. Just selfish!
 

Posted by greatleosmile, on 05-23-2008 16:14,
Having grown up in a single parent household it was devastating to watch my Mother attempt to handle it all on her own. Parenthood is about a partnership. Sometimes Fathers leave - sometimes the Mother leaves but no one thinks about what is lost for the child. It was NOT better to watch my Mother be demeand and demoralized because she wanted to make sure I had a roof over my head by men that were not worthy of her. Stop worrying about the structure of Gay families - it is NOT a matter of nature; it's about love for a child and your partner. It not best for children to grow up in foster homes or orphanages when families of other structures exist. What about White families adopting Black children or going out of country to adopt Chinese girls. Keep what is really the issue at the forefront; ultimately you want to appear open-minded but you are just as prejudice as the rest of society. If I pay taxes, run a business that employs people or buy a home - I deserve all the US offers!
 

Posted by ClosedOpenMind, on 05-24-2008 00:11,
My mother never complained about being a single parent. Fact is, single parenthood is a fact of life - for many kids - not just Black kids. 
 
There can always be alternatives, but - why not focus on tthe core of the problems that facilitates single parenthood - instead of suggesting that a White family or gay couple is a better alternative? Two women raising a heterosexual daughter can't be a better alternative. To say this is like saying a four cylinder is better than a two. No matter what, a mother and father are ideal - not two fathers - not two mothers. Nothing to do with intolerance. 
 
Two partners can be partners without kids being involved. If these couples didn't "cheat" the system, kids would not be an issue. If gay couples sign up for this lifestyle, why can't they accept the consequences of no children too? 
 
Despite all this, to each his/her own. There is only one judge. Get married - be happy. But a line is to be drawn. Kids are it. No contradictions.
 

Posted by greatleosmile - my last words!, on 05-24-2008 17:14,
Wow, I am not sure why you are so intolerant of children belonging to a loving home regardless of whether it is two Moms, two Dads, or an extended family of aunts, uncles and grandparents? But you are acting as if two same gender parents will teach their children the Gay lifestyle and make/raise the kid Gay. You can NOT make or raise someone Gay! I was raised by heterosexual parents and I am Gay!  
 
Just understand that there is no line to be drawn by you or anyone; maybe in your life you limit your possibilities but I hope my brothers and sisters in the life never do. I am proud of Karen and LaTanya making this commitment loudly - I hope all that they seek is granted!  
 
Oh, by the way, a four cylinder car is better than a two cylinder -- more horse power, faster speed and more responsive. It is always better to have two loving parents of whatever structure than just one. Ask kids in foster care, orphanages and living on the streets! Besides, the nuclear family is extinct!
 

Posted by LEALUV, on 05-25-2008 15:36,
Interesting comments but wasnt the topic about gay marriage? 
 
I would like to pose a question since there were statements I don't agree with, and since you're talking about children of gay parents. (I happen to be the product of a gay parent, but am completely heterosexual) Is it possible the whole idea of being gay contradicts the idea of conception and the creation of life? And if so, is it reasonable for society to expect gays to be mindful of that? Do they really care? I agree with ole Mr/Mrs "openminded" to an extent. 
 
There is research that supports the claim that a higher percentage of children of gay parents live gay lifestyles later in life, compared to those who don't have gay parents. They're more tolerant. Curiously though, the study also compares a relationship of that outcome to the fact that many of the children studied were in gay single parent family homes. I am 25 years old and although I love and accept my mother unconditionally, I still struggle with her lifestyle. 
 
I think it's wrong to say that a person cannot be raised gay. Sexual identity is influenced by so much. Culture and socialization play major roles. An impressionable child can be coached or taught any sexual behavior at a very early age, and often adopts those behaviors from people they trust because they don't know any different. We are all products of our environments and sometimes have to overcome them.
 

Posted by ClosedOpenMind, on 05-26-2008 08:21,
That analogy doesn't take into account that a four cylinder engine also burns more gas, produces more emissions, and is not necessarily as environmentally friendly as a two.  
 
The nuclear family is certainly not extinct when one looks globally. Society at large globally accepts that tolerance of these lines of so called limitless posibilities have been clearly drawn.
 

Posted by toni, on 05-27-2008 16:37,
LIVE AND LET LIVE.
 

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