Okay Wattree, I'm back. This is going to be a rather long, time-consuming process, but hopefull worth the effort. In my humble opinion, LOGIC dictates that the Bible is the Word of God. Regarding the example of Moses parting the Red Sea scientists have established--or recognized--that magnetism can make water behave in ways little known to man.
No, I didn't say Moses used a large magnet. I do find it curious, though, that Earth's magnetic field is at least partly responsible for phenonma that defies current scientific explanation. In dismissing even the "possibility" that a large body of water can be separated is, in fact, having a closed mind--not an open one. Because something can't be explained in terms we readily understand does not mean it doesn't exist or couldn't happen my friend.
For example, as good as one may be with words, it would be rather difficult to explain a sunset to a person born blind. The person's inability to explain it doesn't mean that the sunset doesn't exist.
You sound like Isaac Newton's friend:"Newton once had a skilled mechanic make for him a model of the solar system. Balls representing the planets were geared together so as to move realistically in orbit. One day an atheist friend visited Newton. On seeing the model, he operated it, and exclaimed in admiration, 'Who made it?' Newton answered, 'Nobody!' The atheist replied, 'You must think I am a fool! Of course somebody made it, and he is a genius.' Newton then said to his friend, 'This thing is but a puny imitation of a much grander system whose laws you know, and I am not able to convince you that this mere toy is without a designer and maker; yet you profess to believe that the great original from which the design is taken has come into being without either designer or maker!' Newton’s friend came to acknowledge that the great Designer and Maker of all things is God."
What is illogical my friend is to believe that utter chaos gave birth to intricate design.
Posted by Wattree, Part 1, on 08-03-2008 04:40,
My God, Brother Carr!
With all due respect, you’ve managed to construct, without a doubt, the most heinous assault on efficient and logical thought that I have ever seen committed to writing. First, you made the outrageous assertion that “LOGIC dictates that the Bible is the Word of God”, without offering a shred of evidence to support your contention. Then, in an attempt to support your claim, you misrepresented my position, embraced a false assumption, then strung together a series of non sequiturs to substantiate a larger non sequitur. This serves as such a unique example of inefficient thought that I’m going to download it to a file to save for posterity:
You said, “No, I didn't say Moses used a large magnet. I do find it curious, though, that Earth's magnetic field is at least partly responsible for phenonma that defies current scientific explanation. In dismissing even the "possibility" that a large body of water can be separated is, in fact, having a closed mind--not an open one. Because something can't be explained in terms we readily understand does not mean it doesn't exist or couldn't happen my friend.”
How does that substantiate that either “LOGIC dictates that the Bible is the Word of God”, or that Moses parted the Red Sea? Simply because a body of water can be impacted by a magnetic field, and that things happen that we can’t explain, proves neither. The above is a text book example of a totally meaningless argument. And the amazing thing is, you put it forward with such a self-congratulatory sense of vindication, like you were saying, “Now take that!” It’s unbelievable.
You then said, “For example, as good as one may be with words, it would be rather difficult to explain a sunset to a person born blind. The person's inability to explain it doesn't mean that the sunset doesn't exist.”
Another non sequitur. Again, how does that prove that Moses parted the Red Sea, or that the Bible is the word of God?
Posted by Wattree, Part 2, on 08-03-2008 04:45,
Then you really got fancy, and said, “You sound like Isaac Newton's friend:"Newton once had a skilled mechanic make for him a model of the solar system. Balls representing the planets were geared together so as to move realistically in orbit. One day an atheist friend visited Newton. On seeing the model, he operated it, and exclaimed in admiration, 'Who made it?' Newton answered, 'Nobody!' The atheist replied, 'You must think I am a fool! Of course somebody made it, and he is a genius.' Newton then said to his friend, 'This thing is but a puny imitation of a much grander system whose laws you know, and I am not able to convince you that this mere toy is without a designer and maker; yet you profess to believe that the great original from which the design is taken has come into being without either designer or maker!' Newton’s friend came to acknowledge that the great Designer and Maker of all things is God."
That was not only a non sequitur, but addressed the wrong issue. You were arguing the existence of God, but I never challenged the existence of God. I know that God exists, for the same reason that I know that the person who made my watch exists–I’ve never seen him, but I do have a watch. Simple logic.
But you were being illogical in assuming that I didn’t believe in God simply because I don’t believe in voodoo, or that God needs Moses to speak for him.
Again, my man, you may be a brilliant brother, but your syllogistic skills leave much to be desired: “All dogs have teeth. My cat has teeth. Therefore, my cat is a dog.”
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