Are Gay Rights Civil Rights and Are Blacks More Homophobic? In the Aftermath of Prop 8
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Posted by Equality For ALL!, on 11-21-2008 13:33,
What a joke! This "town hall meeting" is nothing but a disguised effort for your ignorant community to try, once again, to tell us how you and your prejudiced religious bigotry are right. First of all, gay rights are CIVIL RIGHTS! There is nothing to discuss on that issue. I don't care to debate whether it compares to your civil rights any more than I want to compare it to the rights of the Japanese during World War II or the Jews in Germany. Civil means "pertaining to the citizenry" Are we not all citizens? Civil Rights refers to the laws that guarantee equal treatment under the law for all citizens. Get it? The Negro/Colored/Black/African American (which is it this week?) rights movement has been set back decades by your community's ignorant views. By the way, ignorant means "not having all of the information necessary to make an informed decision". That is you. I find it interesting how the black community has pushed this "N" word bullshit on everybody, yet "Fag", "******" and "Dyke" are used with regularity in your community. I am angry and disappointed in a group that I thought had matured along with the rest of the nation. This vote and particularly the aftermath have left me with new feelings toward blacks. Of course not everybody fits into this category, I'm speaking of the majority, as in 70%. In the wake of black fatherless children (overall percentage of 58.17) and the growing numbers of children killed by inner city gangs, how dare you try to tell US what is best for a child? I voted for Barack Obama. Thank goodness for his white half - that must be where he got his common sense. "DO NOT EQUATE YOUR SIN WITH THE COLOR OF MY SKIN"??? If hatred and division is what your community is trying to foster, well, you got it! Lastly, I will not be at your meeting because that would require that I enter a gang-ridden, bullet-infested neighborhood. I prefer to stay where people have enough sense to not shoot each other and recruit it's own children to do the same.
Posted by No on 8, on 11-21-2008 15:06,
Hey Equality For ALL. Don't give up on my people as of yet. They need this eduation lession. They need this because once they overturn prop 8 and allow ALL to marry. They will get it.
Posted by LA WOMAN, on 11-21-2008 17:52,
I'm a straight, white, ex-Mormon, going on eleven years of marriage. I grew up in Utah, got married in the Mormon Temple in Salt Lake City at the ripe old age of 20 to a guy who'd just come home from his mission.
I now live in Baldwin Hills, where I am the minority white girl in my neighborhood. I love my black neighbors. I love gay people. I love Los Angeles. After living in Utah for most of my life, where there is a large gay community, but not a lot of color, I love this city's diversity.
Back when I was still attending the Mormon church, I thought the same way as my family and friends and everyone else around me. I thought what I'd been raised to think, that gay people were evil. I'm embarrassed to even be saying that now, but it's the truth.
I am proof that people can change the way they think.
And after nearly eleven years of marriage, my opinion is that marriage is about love. If two people (consenting adults, mind you) can love each other enough to get married, why prevent that? For those of you who take that to the next level and say, "Well, what about the kids?" Just don't. Marriage is marriage. Kids are kids. Gay people have the right to adopt and conceive and raise kids, regardless of whether they're married, so don't even bring that issue into it.
So I ask again, if two people love each other enough to commit to each other for better or worse, why stop it? Why fight it? Why let yourself be threatened by love? Love is about the least threatening thing on the planet.
Sorry to get all hippie-peace-man on you, but I really do think it's worth mentioning, you know, that whole icky love thing.
Posted by Bea Foreal, on 11-21-2008 23:59,
Wow! It amazes me that people try to make ignorance bliss. I have to agree with Heterophile on some points. Homosexuality is still considered deviant behavior though people have come to tolerate it. However, it is still widely unacceptable. Heterophile also brought up the notion of "behavioral rights" and the comparison to civil rights. I agree there as well. Just because we "feel" a certain way does not make it right. If a person wants to have relations with their pet, because they "feel" a certain way, does that make it right? Do we approve that behavior and pass a law that makes it ok? Be For Real!! I am against same marriage. I do believe that people should be afforded rights that allow their domestic same sex partners to have health care etc. but NOT under the guise of being married in the traditional sense. I understand that we all have issues that we are passionate about. I have a gay friend (male) who voted Yes on Prop 8. He does not believe in gay marriage. Surely all gay people can't be for same sex marriage. Not only that, gay people will still live their lives the same way they do now. They will still live as if being married and conduct their lives as if being married, so is the issue for gays actually about BEING married, or is about the rights you desire for yourself and your same sex partner? For me the two are NOT synonymous.
Posted by No on 8, on 11-22-2008 07:00,
Bea Foreal.. "If a person wants a relationship with their pet." Your dumb ass said that? It's people like you that need to attend that Town Hall meeting. And then you go on to say, "I have a gay friend." OMG That's just as bad as a white person saying, "I have black friends." You are the biggest fool on here. My gay black sisters and brothers are being raised by fools like you. That's the biggest problem I see. Remember Mr. - 70% of our youth voted No on 8. So, take your tired ass to bed and let the younger generation handle things without hate.
Posted by Mi, on 11-22-2008 17:35,
GOD HATES ALL SIN NOT JUST HOMOSEXUALITY (pride, lying, slander, murder, fear, etc.)! With that being said, homosexuality is against the law. What law? (1) The law of multiplication. In Genesis God (who is a gardener i.e. Garden of Eden) told man to be fruitful and multiply. God had Noah to bring his sons and their wives and all the animals MALE AND FEMALE. If I plant an apple seed I get apples. If a cat 'plants' its seed it gives birth to another cat. If a man 'plants' his seed in a woman they give birth to another human. If a black man 'plants' his seed in a black woman they will have a black child. Homosexuals can not reproduce themselves. Homosexuals are not a race of people like African-Americans. (2) Homosexuality is against the law of attraction. The primary difference between humans and animals is that God has given man the ability to choose. Animals don't have a choice. God designed them so that the male/female are automatically attracted to one another and instinctively knows who they are to have sex with (this doesn't deal with the perfect male/female matching anatomical parts or the x/y chromosomes). Even homosexuals have to have a mother and a father! People who are homosexuals haven chosen to have sex with individuals of their own sex. You may say that we can't choose who we love or how we feel about someone. That's not quite accurate. (1) In First Corinthians 13 'love' is defined as a decision of your 'will' not a feeling. (2) Some people 'feel' like having sex with children or animals. If I lived my life based on my feelings I would slap a lot of people! All jokes aside, just because I disagree with a persons sexual choice doesn't mean I hate you but that I love you enough to tell you when you are going down the wrong path and that God, like any loving Father, has SO much more in store for any of us when we use our will to choose Him rather than our flesh. Forgive the long post.
Posted by warren, on 11-24-2008 20:30,
Discraimation is discraimation no matter what color lip stick you put on it. For Blacks not to see the comparisons between the two groups of minorities leaves me in disbelief.
Whether the discramimation is based on the color of one skin or the others sexual orientation its all the same. A group of American Citizens are being denied equal rights.
BTW, The US SUPREME COURT said in the LOVING ET UX. v. VIRGINIA ruling that "Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man.""
Posted by Heterophile, on 11-24-2008 22:05,
"Warren..." discrimination is discrimination eh?? Do you REALLY believe that? Your statements suggests you're SURE African Americans are the only people who disagree with that OR that we're somehow obligated to believe that!
Tell me - what would the "White" majority say about "Bi-Sexuals" who feel discriminated against because they've decided they want to marry both the male AND female partners in their lives? How about the underaged kids... who feel discriminated against because they've suddenly developed appetites for adult relationships? And as someone else aluded to in an earlier post... what about an "Animal Rights Activist" - suddenly out of the closet and feeling discriminated against because she wants to excercise her right to marry her best friend "Fido?"
Yes - I "took it there" given that in each of these examples, there is likely someone who would claim they were born with their "unconventional taste" and are driven to assert their "rights" to be with whomever they choose. Would "Whites" also be "discriminating" against these "taxpaying" groups should they decide to vote against their unions if they ever become an issue?
You should probably come up with a more compelling reason to justify your disbelief!
Posted by Warren, on 11-26-2008 17:57,
Yes! "Heterophile" I would expect a group that experience discrimination would understand that prop 8 is the same treatment that they had to suffer for over 400 years by the majority in the USA.
Do you realize that the passage of 8 could make it easier for a slim majority to repeal laws that were passed to protect the rights of Blacks and other minorities? Do you realize that the Civil & Voters Right Acts are limited in time. I guess since Obama has been elected President the lower economic, social blacks don't need the laws to protect their rights any longer. So be it!
Posted by LOL@"Heterophile", on 12-16-2008 13:18,
LOL, heterophile is jealous of lesbians!
"I am just a concerned "traditional" single brutha out there who finds frustration in not only having to compete with men - but also with the likes of you when looking for a mate!"
You don't have a chance with ladies who don't want you. Get over it and look for straight girls who might.
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